The Absence of Evidence is Sufficient
by admin
Some proponents of blood flagellation argue that the Imams (a) may have performed the rituals in private, and that may be the reason why we have no evidence that they (a) performed these rituals. Therefore we should not deny the fact that these rituals are Islamically recommended.
Any sincere person with a working intellect would not fail to see the flaw in that argument. If the argument were valid then it could be applied to a whole range of actions that have no Islamic backing. Any given Muslim could innovate a ritual and claim that we should not deny that it is Islamically recommended because it may have been performed by the Ahlulbayt (a) in private. For example we could innovate a new prayer with sixty four rakats and justify it by saying: “Don’t say it is not mustahab, maybe the Imams (a) did it in private!”
The lack of evidence in this case is sufficient to justify the proposition that the Imams (a) did not perform those rituals.
Salam Alaikum.
Allhamdolilah fantastic website.
I agree about the lack of evidence for tatbir but is there sufficient evidence for the allowance of regular chest beating that is performed commonly?
Thanks in advance
Its amazing that you ppl have the audacity to compare the girya of masomeen with was us fallible human beings. Take all the tear drops of every single azadar, take all the blood shed by ppl who do tatbir, they wont out weigh a single drop of a masooms tear drop!!! Masoomeen girya would shake the heavens and you are saying they didnt shed blood, please stop comparing our girya to masoomeens girya its very sad!!!
So according to you we should do tatbir because our tears cannot match the tears of the infallibles?
What else should we invent because our acts of worship don’t live up to their ones?
Are you also suggesting that tatbir is a more intense form of mourning? Then why did they refrain from it?
Read khutba number 119 of nahjul balagah.
Imam Ali (a.s.) tells to cut yourself.
That is same as tatbir.
Please see to it.
Please read khutba number 119 of Nahjul balagah.
In this Imam Ali (a.s.) tells to cut yourself.
This is same as tatbir.
I’ll assume Anonymous and you are the same person, so I’ll respond to you on here. To be clear, sermon 119 does not detail anything regarding cutting yourself. You probably have not read it, so I’ll paste it below:
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Sermon 119
About The Greatness Of Ahl Al-Bayt ( ) And The Importance Of The Laws Of Islam :
By Allah! I have knowledge of the conveyance of messages, fulfillment of promises and of entire expressions. We the people of the house (Ahl al-Bayt) possess the doors of wisdom and light of governance. Beware that the paths of religion are one and its highways are straight. He who follows them achieves (the aim) and secures (the objective). And he who stood away from it went astray and incurred repentance.
Do act for the day for which provisions are stored and when the intentions will be tested. If a person’s own intelligence which is present with him does not help him, the wits (of others) which are remote from him are more unhelpful and those which are away from him more useless. Dread the fire whose flame is severe, whose hollow is deep, whose outfit is iron and whose drink is bloody puss. Beware! The good name of a man retained by Allah, the Sublime, among the people is better than wealth inherited by those who will not praise him.
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Never try to lie about the words of Amirul Mo’mineen. Respect yourself, and if not yourself, respect him.